Chicago Style Bullies

Posted by Leo Paulding on 8/11/2008, 2:36 pm
Board Administrator

To everyone....Please DO NOT lower the quality and inegrity of this board in response to people on other boards. By responding to rhetoric, and blatant slander from people on other boards we ONLY gives their statements credibilty. WE KNOW what we're about and where we're going, why worry about rubbish that WE have realized will never change? Viewing this stuff for humor throughout the internet is one thing, but to pollute our board with it is counter-productive to our goal of attracting people that do NOT want to be a part of that STUFF. Although I agree with the "message" that Lester was trying convey with his post and I have the UTMOST respect for Lester, the way a few things were stated were simply counter productive to our Club goal of attracting fresh, positive people that could care less about message board drama.

So as difficult as it may be sometimes, PLEASE maintain your self discipline and remember that what's posted on this message board is a reflection of OUR ENTIRE CLUB. AND, responding to rubbish ONLY gives it credibilty. As was told to me a LONG time ago when I first got sober..."shut up and show me kid, don't tell me..."

In other words, let's respond to the lies and slander with action instead of words, just as we've been doing. Let's face it, like our dogs, we salivate for the challenge to get better....lolol.

If we play with class we can never lose.

Leo Paulding, President
Olde English Bulldogge Kennel Club

Re: Posting on this board.....

Posted by Lester (Lumbad27) on 8/11/2008, 5:52 pm, in reply to "Posting on this board....."

right on Leo.... I respect you calling me direct on the phone earlier to explain your reason and I understand what you're saying.

I'll rephrase my perspective later and put it in a way that won't bring anyone down....

Leo: one thing I will say is that people can call you what they wanna call you, but consider this: I'M A DARK BROWN FILIPINO! I'm about as dark brown and proud as it can get LOL... and Leo has not ever shown me any type of disrespect or lack of regard, or to any of my friends who share my pigmentation trait. So my opinion doesn't change until someone gives me a real reason to change it.

LOL I crack me up.

Working Ability in the Olde English Bulldogge
Posted by Lester (Lumbad27) on 8/11/2008, 12:56 am

Hi everyone,

I think I am familiar with most of you here, and I just wanted to make a comment in regard to some amusing things I read on the LBA website earlier this weekend.

I had read that the OEBKC does not possess any stock that holds any working titles, and the "pet-quality" aspect is what is the primary focus over here, and somehow in 10 years these dogs will deteriorate into another sad variation of the AKC English Bulldog. I had read that because LGK Bruno or LGK Adam, or LGK whoever has a WP3 title, then that somehow legitimizes the LBA as a "working bulldog club" with working titles all over the place.. hahaha... I read that in the middle of reading through several highly cowardly and ridiculous PERSONAL accusations and inflammatory statements being made on a password-locked INTERNET BOARD... meaning no chance for a response to hear the opposite end of someone's story, if someone actually took the time out of their life to entertain that nonsense (LOL some people's kids).. In my own opinion, the single dog-man who is putting in the work to title and compete within LEGITIMATELY RECOGNIZED working dog venues is Maurice Mayo, who lives a short way away from me and is the man who inspired me to begin working my dog competitively. But his involvement alone, along with some other folks' half-ss YouTube videos of home invasion... that doesn't make that a "working bulldog club" by any means.

Anyway, getting away from my rant.... for those of you who do not know me, I prefer to showcase the working ability in my female through competitive weight pulling, protection training, obedience, etc etc.

I understand and respect the OEBKC's stance on responsible promotion of the breed by not throwing up bark and hold pictures on every possible corner of the internet, with an agitated OEB guarding a decoy aggressively in a blind, or attacking a bite suit. Its totally understandable and makes good sense to not saturate the minds of the onlooking public with images of these bulldogges doing that type of work (especially when any stock in this breed has yet to be legitimately and/or consistently proven through formal protection ability trials... doesn't make good sense to introduce the breed to the public through dogs who haven't even been proven to be very good at trained protection as a whole breed, compared to other traditional working breeds)

But back to my point... as far as the WP3 title issue, my female was also awarded a WP3 title at her 1ST APA (American Pulling Alliance) weight pull showing. The requirement for a WP3 is to pull either 23x or 26x the dog's bodyweight (I can't remember which one it is right now). This means that if I had a 55 lb bulldogge, then she must pull about 1300lbs. So I just took my girl Toni to a weight pull event at the Mason Dixon Classic in Warrenton, VA 2 months ago.. she weighed in at about 45 lbs, and pulled 2500 lbs, but came up about 12 inches short on the track, so her last pull at 2350 lbs was what was recorded... the funny part is that she wasn't even conditioned for that show AT ALL. She just knew what to do since I train her to pull, but she wasn't even in true shape to compete. I only took her to the pull because that show location was too close to my house to pass up and not go. And that was probably the 5th or 6th time THIS year that she's met the APA WP3 title requirement... she's currently capable of pulling over 60x her bodyweight on a rail system.. when the IWPA (International Weight Pulling Assoc) season opens up next month, Toni will be completing the pulling requirements for a WDS (Working Dog Superior), the highest fixed title attainable within that organization, and she won't even be 2 yrs old until Feb 2009. We'll also be trying to compete for the IWPA region 11 Gold Medal this coming season as well. ....so long story short, a WP3 does indeed require some work and training, but its not some super advanced weight pulling title that takes huge levels of know-how or experience to attain. If you go to any show, just about every dog who has any idea how to pull weight will surpass the WP3 requirement with NO PROBLEM. So I hope that helps add some perspective to those silly insults that were put the other day... at least to anyone who was unlucky enough to read them. LOL.

Now that I'm finally done rambling LOL (I think... maybe not), I would like to add that although I don't really consider myself "belonging" as an official member to any specific club in this breed due to the fact that I had some really crazy, eye-opening experiences when I was a die-hard supporter of the LBA (which came to a happy and abrupt end almost a year ago LOL), and also because I do have 3 very close friends who (unfortunately) happen to be assoc. with the LBA, so I choose to try to keep to myself ("unaffiliated") and the friends I've managed to make on both sides, maintain my own website for informational purposes, and stay away from formal club affiliation (as far as being a "formal member")..... however, I fully support and represent the OEBKC at any and all of the working show venues that I participate in, in the respect that I ALWAYS direct folks who are curious about my dog to the OEBKC as a breed club and info source, as well as contacting those specific individuals who I call my friends at RoyalBlood, RawDawgs, and Regency Bulls Kennels up in the NYC area through direct contact only.. . and be assured that any breeding that I will be involved with (in this breed) in the future will be to secure the working ability of my girl Toni, that all dogs involved will be fully traceable to the old stock in this breed, and that any of my future "working litters" will be solely registered with the OEBKC (for full recognition at future UKC working events, hopefully) with the intention of producing dogs with strong working ability (with many of those dogs to be hopefully placed in competitive working homes).

Here is a picture of my girl Toni from a few months ago. She is in heat right now, and will be bred when she comes in the next time around toward the beginning of 2009. I have some nice males in mind, so feel free to contact me through my site if you would like any information about Toni or any related info. (LOL coincidentally, Toni has an appointment to be x-rayed with OFA preliminary shots early tomorrow morning, and I plan to temperament screen her at an ATTS evaluation being held in southern Virginia later this month... other short term future short term goals are CGC eval., SchH BH/1 eventually, CERF testing, and some other stuff)

sorry for the LOOOONG WINDED post (yet again... LOL)

-Lester
Barkada Working Dog

Re: Working Ability in the Olde English Bulldogge

Posted by Leigh on 8/11/2008, 8:40 am, in reply to "Working Ability in the Olde English Bulldogge"

Good post Lester. Most important, the OEBKC doesn't have any "aversion" to working dogs or working events. I think its unfortunate that people who are new to this breed may actually believe this. What it comes down to is like you said, responsible promotion of the breed to the general public.

Re: Working Ability in the Olde English Bulldogge

Posted by scott (scott76) on 8/11/2008, 9:15 am, in reply to "Re: Working Ability in the Olde English Bulldogge"

A little history Lesson ....

Many moons ago when I went to Mike Walz's house and picked up JAX...I saw all of his dogs..Back then he had about 20.....

This was when the OEBA was the only registry so ALL Leavitt dogs had OEBA papers

As I walked around he gave me the history of each
dog..

HE DID NOT HAVE ONE OEB DOING ANY WEIGHT PULLS!!!!!

THE ONLY DOG DOING ANY PP was an AMERICAN BULLDOG....NOT ONE OEB was doing any PP work ....

Re: Working Ability in the Olde English Bulldogge

Posted by scott (scott76) on 8/11/2008, 7:26 am, in reply to "Working Ability in the Olde English Bulldogge"

she is pretty lester....

after reading the LBa'S post I thought you would respond....

i just say whatever to those post's...that is all they deserve

Speaking of working dogs...

Posted by Leigh on 8/11/2008, 11:24 am

Not all the details of registration have been worked out yet, however, I would like to share with everyone what I know at the moment about our ability to compete in UKC events.

Everyone may or may not have heard yet that dogs enrolled in the CDHPR (like us) will not be eligible to compete in UKC events. I tried to find a way for us to compete under a Limited Priviledge with an Exception (dogs with an LP must be fixed), and even before that the CDHPR tried to find a way as well.

The reason for this is a software incompatibility between the UKC and CDHPR. I'm told efforts are being made to update the UKC's system, but that could be a long process and no delivery date is available.

We'll have to continue on our current course for the time being, which is utilizing both the conformation and working venues we currently have available to us.

As I alluded to earlier, showing the UKC that we are active in these venues and serious about this breed is going to be a significant factor in the timing of our UKC recognition. The more active we are, the sooner we get recognized.

All this coming from a Guy who has done NOTHING and I mean NOTHING (except Babble) as far as Working Event's are concerned ...

WOW

Posted by Greg on June 4, 2008, 8:03 pm
205.188.117.66

I would like to say I am sorry for thinking for one minute having David Leavitt coming to my house 3 years ago would end up turning one club into three WOW .I am very disappointed in the direction he has taken the breed LBA. He has not taken control of his breeders like he told us he would. there dogs are looking like shit .lol

Posted by Tim on August 4, 2008, 7:50 pm
64.12.117.70

After reading everything all I can say is WOW!!

If the dogs are to prevail in anyway! then all the outcrosses and dogs should be included!.

Infact if I was still in charge I would have gone to the IOEBA and let in there top ten kennels just for outcrosses.

There is no such thing as Purebred OEBs unless you go to Ray Schneiders yard and he has enough problems there.

The only dogs I know of and have had problems with are the so called purebreds.

The perfect OEB health wise and looks should be only about 50 per cent Leavitt IMO.

If you cross a Campetti dog with a EB it actually becomes more healthy? go figure!

Even though I don't like certain people on both sides what I cant understand is no one has even mentioned the dogs and whats best for them??

When did it become about power and who is in control??

It should be about the dogs and what's best for them!

As many of you know I lost interest when Rich passed away and to be honest I hope he isn't seeing what's going on right now!

Even I never put myself before the dogs / breed and I am called insane LOL,,

Plus what everyone is forgetting once the UKC starts they will open to other regs especially if it goes to the AKC, its all about numbers and making money!.

I have more (purebred OEBs) than the OEBKC and LBA combined?

So again if this thing is to prevail ALL dogs need to be included otherwise what's the point??.

People need to be behind there dogs and stop being afraid of competition !!

Like I always said (let the dogs speak for themselves)...

Again all dogs should be included otherwise maybe I should contact the UKC to check the reg they are using?? because after all I made most of it up !

There's a big difference from what people believe they have to what they actually have!.

News

Posted by DL on August 9, 2008, 6:05 pm
Creator

The UKC still hasn't seen fit to get in touch but Leigh Potter, the OEBKC Registrar was kind enough to let me know today that he was told the OEBKC would be the sole Club allowed into the CDHPR program.

We tried and came up short. There are probably a few reasons and I'm sure the UKC will eventually contact me. No regrets here though. The truth is our Club is a benign dictatorship and doesn't have elections or 11 pages of by-laws. Also we applied for the program months after the OEBKC. Some good news is that dogs in the CDHPR aren't elligible to compete in UKC events. Wish I'd known that earlier.

Leigh said anyone with LBA dogs who wants OEBKC papers that has what they deem a pure bred, will be admitted and given OEBKC papers. They just won't allow people to be a listed breeder on their website if they are listed on ours.

There is no reason for animosity to the O Club over this. We are doing just fine and I ask that you just continue doing what you are doing, learning and improving.

Let me spill a little personal news now. I've got some plans to start a new performance line of LB's. An old friend will be providing blood from a famous hard dog and we'll see where it goes from there. This will be a long term project and it will be years in the making but I'm very excited to get started. All progeny will be thoroughly work tested plus have all the necessary health screening. First generation pups will only be going to training homes and only dogs who work well will be bred. This will only move forward if the dogs are good and I'm fully prepared to start again if I'm not 100% happy with what's produced. I've been watching my AB and Herder friends create great dogs and I want to play too....

DL

A Little Background

Posted by DL on August 2, 2008, 1:36 pm
Creator

Chris Blatcher is one of the most easy-going, positive and respectable people I know. He has a cool demeanor and is responsible for the safety of hundreds of people in his work as the captain of large jets. (DL just an fyi Chris Blatcher is a Cargo Pilot not a Commercial Pilot, Hope this Help's ?)
Please be assured that it took a huge ugly stream of venom from the President of the O Club, to push Chris past the breaking point. He was compelled to share his experience with you because few have seen the ugly side of this person. I have suffered through such an attack and I can tell you it is the behavior of someone who is out of control.

Chris faced this attack when he called the Pres. of the O Club to try to find a compromise on the UKC problem. Their Pres. refused to compromise and became abusive. Clearly this maneuver was planned long in advance. By refusing to compromise they thought the LBA would withdraw our letter of intent and the O Club dogs would come in without us. We have not withdrawn our letter of intent. the O Club is willing to risk having the UKC refuse entry to their dogs, if entrance requires letting the LBA decide what is an LB, without their oversight.

The UKC was prepared to require OEBKC and LBA registration before admitting dogs to their program. I thought that each Club would approve their own dogs. That way there would have been no problem moving forward. But the O Club demands to say what we can do, how our dogs can be bred and even what they look like. I was afraid this would happen.

Part of the problem here is that many dog people insulate themselves in their breed and don't see the higher quality in the larger dog world. This is the reason I have encouraged people to attend competitions and get exposed to real experts who are creating lines with good physical structure and temperament, that demonstrate their quality in open competition. I am seeing breath-taking performances that display great training and raw material by master trainers and breeders. I am lucky to know many expert dog people. The central fact here is that the LBA will not seed authority to the OEBKC Board of Directors to tell us who and what we can register because the fact is that they are not experts.

Our small LBA band has come a long way since we started. I can't tell you enough how happy I am to see you learning and improving. I feel people should produce loving family pets and at the same time we need other breeders testing their dogs and producing working lines. Keep up the good work and thank you.

DL

CDHPR NEWS...

Posted by Admin on 8/6/2008, 12:45 pm
Board Administrator

The Canine Developmental Health & Performance Registry

The OEBKC Board of Directors and our Registrar, Leigh Potter, would like to announce that our breed has recently been accepted by the Canine Developmental Health & Performance Registry (www.cdhpr.com) with the OEBKC as the Parent Club.

The CDHPR is a foundation registry system developed to help the United Kennel Club assist Parent Clubs of new/existing dog breeds to assimilate their purebred registry into the UKC Registry once full acceptance is obtained.

This is an exciting time for our breed as we continue to move forward in a positive, inclusive, and professional manner, and is the result of over 2 years of working and waiting since our original application was submitted to the UKC.

Most importantly in this venture, we believe that the resources available to us via the CDHPR and the UKC will be a tremendous benefit to our dogs when it comes to maintaining both genetic health and the performance necessary in a purebred working dog.

We are still in the process of detailing how we will begin registration with the CDHPR, but these details should be finalized in the coming weeks and will be announced once complete. Rest assured, all dogs with valid OEBKC paperwork, and all those eligible for OEBKC registration, will soon have the opportunity to join us in taking the first steps toward UKC recognition.

CDHPR News!

Posted by Bruce on 8/7/2008, 6:53 am

Thanks Leigh Potter and Leo Paulding! Very exciting news! Huge step for our breed!

That's Great News!!

Posted by Steve on 8/7/2008, 9:25 am, in reply to "CDHPR News!"

Biggest move forward in 30 years! Thank you to all involved.

Thanks Bruce

Posted by Leigh on 8/7/2008, 9:00 am, in reply to "CDHPR News!"

It's taken more than just a couple people to make this happen though. In fact, one of the questions the CDHPR had was how many members we have in the club. By everyone we have today in the club taking a little time to contribute we have been able to show the CDHPR & UKC that we are moving in the right direction and will continue to do so.

Re: Thanks Bruce

Posted by scott (scott76) on 8/7/2008, 12:48 pm, in reply to "Thanks Bruce"

good job leigh !!! I know you worked hard...

that the real works begin ...we have to participate in shows and events.....

Biggest move forward in 30 years! DL recreates the OEB, Lovable Leo comes along and takes DL's creation and credit all the way to the UKC.

Just wondering if Lovable Leo ever Thanked DL for recreating the OEB ???